"O L-RD, Who are my power and my strength and my refuge in the day of trouble, to You nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, 'Only lies have our fathers handed down to us, emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail! Can a man make gods for himself, and they are no gods? 'Therefore, behold I let them know; at this time I will let them know My power and My might, and they shall know that My Name is the L-RD".
Jeremiah 16:19-21

Taken from a question by a Christian on Messiah Truth forum about Isaiah 14:12 concerning the Christian devil:

The response is by Prof Mordochai ben Tziyyon and Sophiee:

Can you produce even one shred of evidence from the T’nach (Hebrew Bible) for the existence of a “fallen” Angel? And before you cite chapter 14 of Y’shayahu, here is what verses 12-15 of that chapter REALLY say:

אֵיךְ נָפַלְתָּ מִשָּׁמַיִם, הֵילֵל בֶּן שָׁחַר; נִגְדַּעְתָּ לָאָרֶץ, חוֹלֵשׁ עַל גּוֹיִם׃ וְאַתָּה אָמַרְתָּ בִלְבָבְךָ, הַשָּׁמַיִם אֶעֱלֶה – מִמַּעַל לְכוֹכְבֵי אֵל אָרִים כִּסְאִי, וְאֵשֵׁב בְּהַר מוֹעֵד בְּיַרְכְּתֵי צָפוֹן׃ אֶעֱלֶה עַל בָּמֳתֵי עָב, אֶדַּמֶּה לְעֶלְיוֹן׃ אַךְ אֶל שְׁאוֹל תּוּרָד, אֶל יַרְכְּתֵי בוֹר׃

“Oh, how you have fallen from the heights [of your former splendour], Venus, Morning Star! How you have been cut down to the ground, Conqueror of Nations! You said to yourself, ‘I will ascend into Heaven, I will set my throne even higher than God’s stars – I will sit at the extreme northern end of the Temple Mountain [the holiest part of the Temple courtyard where the most holy sacrifices were slaughtered, compare Vayikra 1:11] – I will rise above the highest clouds, I will become like the Most High!’ But instead you have been brought down to the nether world, to the depths of despair…” (Y’shayahu 14:12-15)

Now, WHOM is the prophet addressing so sarcastically as “Venus”, “Morning Star”, and “Conqueror of Nations”? Well, first of all, let us note that the passage itself actually SAYS who it is about:

וְנָשָׂאתָ הַמָּשָׁל הַזֶּה עַל מֶלֶךְ בָּבֶל

…you are to recite this tirade against the king of Babylonia… (Y’shayahu 14:4)

Aha – so it’s about Nebuchadnezzar! And compare the “tirade” that Y’shayahu is commanded to recite against Nebuchadnezzar with what Daniyyel tells us:

כֹּלָּא מְּטָא עַל נְבוּכַדְנֶצַּר מַלְכָּא׃ לִקְצָת יַרְחִין תְּרֵי עֲשַׂר, עַל הֵיכַל מַלְכוּתָא דִּי בָבֶל מְהַלֵּךְ הֲוָה׃ עָנֵה מַלְכָּא וְאָמַר, הֲלָא דָא הִיא בָּבֶל רַבְּתָא, דִּי אֲנָה בֱנַיְתַהּ לְבֵית מַלְכוּ, בִּתְקַף חִסְנִי וְלִיקָר הַדְרִי׃ עוֹד מִלְּתָא בְּפֻם מַלְכָּא, קָל מִן שְׁמַיָּא נְפַל – לָךְ אָמְרִין נְבוּכַדְנֶצַּר מַלְכָּא: מַלְכוּתָא עֲדָת מִנָּךְ׃ וּמִן אֲנָשָׁא לָךְ טָרְדִין וְעִם חֵיוַת בָּרָא מְדֹרָךְ; עִשְׂבָּא כְתוֹרִין לָךְ יְטַעֲמוּן, וְשִׁבְעָה עִדָּנִין יַחְלְפוּן עֲלָךְ – עַד דִּי תִנְדַּע דִּי שַׁלִּיט עִלָּאָה בְּמַלְכוּת אֲנָשָׁא, וּלְמַן דִּי יִצְבֵּא יִתְּנִנַּהּ׃ בַּהּ שַׁעֲתָא, מִלְּתָא סָפַת עַל נְבוּכַדְנֶצַּר וּמִן אֲנָשָׁא טְרִיד, וְעִשְׂבָּא כְתוֹרִין יֵאכֻל, וּמִטַּל שְׁמַיָּא גִּשְׁמֵהּ יִצְטַבַּע – עַד דִּי שַׂעְרֵהּ כְּנִשְׁרִין רְבָה וְטִפְרוֹהִי כְצִפְּרִין׃ וְלִקְצָת יוֹמַיָּא אֲנָה נְבוּכַדְנֶצַּר עַיְנַי לִשְׁמַיָּא נִטְלֵת וּמַנְדְּעִי עֲלַי יְתוּב, וּלְעִלָּאָה בָּרְכֵת, וּלְחַי עָלְמָא שַׁבְּחֵת וְהַדְּרֵת – דִּי שָׁלְטָנֵהּ שָׁלְטָן עָלַם, וּמַלְכוּתֵהּ עִם דָּר וְדָר׃

All this happened to King Nebuchadnezzar – twelve months later, when he was walking on top of his royal palace in Babylon, he called out and said: “Is not this the great Babylon, which I have built up into a royal house with the strength of my power and for the honour of my glory!” While the words were still in the king’s mouth, a Voice fell from Heaven: “They have decreed this about you, King Nebuchadnezzar! Your kingdom has turned away from you – they will banish you from man and you will live among wild animals; they will feed you grass like cattle and seven periods will pass over you, until you realise that the Supreme One rules over human kingdoms and He gives it to whom He wishes.” Immediately, the thing came about on Nebuchadnezzar – he was banished from man and he ate grass like cattle, his body was soaked with the dew of the Heavens, his hair grew like eagles’ [feathers] and his nails like birds’ [claws]. And at the end of the [seven periods of] years, I – Nebuchadnezzar – lifted my eyes to Heaven and my sanity returned to me; I blessed the Supreme One and I praised and glorified the Eternal One – Whose rule is an eternal rule and Whose sovereignty is for all generations…

Isaiah 14 is speaking of false Canaanite / Babylonian gods whom the Xians translated as the word “lucifer” which they then decided had to do with devils. There is no “lucifer” in the T’nach. Isaiah 14 has nothing to do with angels, let alone adversarial angels (satans).

The prophet Isaiah is merely saying that with the fall of the King of Babylon so fall his false gods. That is IT. No devils. It is unfortunate the the Latin word lucifer which didn’t creep into Xian translations for hundreds of years has come to be so misused by folks like Scofield who are uneducated in both history and Tanach and thus simply use Jewish scrip-ture as “proof texts” for Xianity.

There is no devil. There are no demi-gods. There is only One G-d and He creates everything — including good and evil.

G-d created man with free will and this planet is our school room to exercise this free will. When we “screw up” we don’t blame the programmer (G-d) who takes full credit for creating evil.

Quote:

I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the L-rd do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

G-d does all these things.

The question isn’t “who created evil” but rather WHY G-d created evil. If we had free will but there was only good — where is the choice? How can we grow spiritually? How can we learn to “do better”?

Sorry but you can’t blame a false made-up devil (god) for all your problems. YOU are responsible for your problems. You can choose between good and evil. Just as G-d told Cain (Genesis 4:7) the choice is yours. You can rise above evil.

Take another look at Isaiah 14:

Quote:

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV) “How you have fallen from heaven, O (Hel-el which is translated as morning star), (Sha-har translated as son of the dawn)! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”

Why not look up those names (Hel-el and Sha-har)? Search on the Internet. Look them up in a dictionary.

You will find that the Babylonians (and Canaanites) had a god named Hel-el who was the god of the morning star and his father was Shah-ar, god of the dawn. So Isaiah is saying that with the fall of the King of Babylon so falls his false gods Helel and Shahar.

The word “lucifer” is a latin word for Hel-el. Nothing more and nothing less. The 4th century Xians translated Hel-el (Hebrew) into lucifer (latin) and then folks began to misinterpret lucifer as being a fallen angel instead of a fallen false Babylonian god.

The Xians need a bad god, the devil, to tempt the good god (Jsus). But there is no bad god (aka devil) in the Jewish bible. He simply doesn’t exist in the Jewish bible. speaking of the same man. There is ONE G-d and He takes full credit for both good and evil.

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Larry May 16, 2012 at 6:15 am

What about Job? My bible mentions the word satan there. How satan tries to destroy Jobs faith.

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