"O L-RD, Who are my power and my strength and my refuge in the day of trouble, to You nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, 'Only lies have our fathers handed down to us, emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail! Can a man make gods for himself, and they are no gods? 'Therefore, behold I let them know; at this time I will let them know My power and My might, and they shall know that My Name is the L-RD".
Jeremiah 16:19-21
Daniel 7:13– this is one of the “prophecies” Christians claim is not about Jesus. They mistranslate it as “son of man” when the text (Aramaic) says “LIKE a son of a human being” (k’var enash). That aside it is easy enough to prove that Daniel 7:13 is NOT Jesus — as with most proof texts and false Christian prophecies one just has to read it in context (read the whole chapter).

There is one true prophecy about Christianity in Daniel 7 — read on!

Why do we know that Daniel 7 has nothing to do with Jesus? Yet again because the visions associated with the one “like the son of a human being” never happened with Jesus. Read the chapter. We are told in the next line (14) “dominion and glory and a kingdom, and all peoples, nations, and tongues shall serve him; his dominion is an eternal dominion, which will not be removed, and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.” Now missionaries will try to claim this is not an “earthly kingdom” but Daniel 7 makes this lie apparent. Keep reading. . .

Line 17. [He -- the angel -- said] “These huge beasts, which are four, are four kingdoms, which will arise from the earth.”

Kingdoms of the EARTH.

Line 18. “And the high holy ones will receive the kingdom, and they will inherit the kingdom forever and to all eternity.” The high holy ones are not identified — but as you read through the chapter which outlines pretty much all of history it will become obvious that this is Israel. The Jews.

Read through to line 23 — after war after war and earthly kingdom after earthly kingdom “So he (the angel) said (to Daniel), “The fourth beast [represents] a fourth kingdom [that] will be on the earth, which will be different from all the kingdoms, and it will devour the whole land and trample it and crush it.”

Again — EARTHLY Kingdom. . . not Jesus who was never a ruler of an earthly kingdom. . .

10 kingdoms sprout from this last kingdom (which was Rome — and we are still under Western domination aka Rome — the Christians). Next is perhaps one of the only true prophecies about Christianity in the Jewish bible:

“25. And he will speak words against the Most High, and he will oppress the high holy ones, and he will think to change the times and the law, and they will be delivered into his hand until a time, two times, and half a time.”

The Christians oppressed the Jews (Holocaust, Pogroms, Spanish Inquisition — it continues to this very day when the United States excluded Israel from a counter terrorist summit just this week). . . The Christians changed the times (moving the Sabbath to Sunday and changing the calendars) changing the law (Paul and saying no one needs to keep the mitzvot) — but the end of the Christians will come at the hand of G-d, too. . .

Line 26 “And the judgment shall be established, and they will remove his dominion to be destroyed and annihilated until the end.”

And when this last of the kingdoms of Rome (the Christian kingdom) is vanquished by G-d Himself the true messiah will come and as Daniel states 27. “And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under all the heavens will be given to the people of the high holy ones; its kingdom is a perpetual kingdom, and all dominions will serve and obey [it].” — the messianic era will finally arrive, B”H may it come speedily and in our days!

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philwynk December 31, 2012 at 8:45 pm

Right about the time you say this:

“10 kingdoms sprout from this last kingdom (which was Rome — and we are still under Western domination aka Rome — the Christians).”

…you lose even the appearance of seriousness.

I’m not even complaining about calling the 10 kings that would arise “10 kingdoms,” though that’s clearly a stretch. No, it’s conflating 4th kingdom in Daniel’s prophecy, which is clearly ancient Rome, with what you call “Western domination,” and then conflating that with Christianity.

Look, Rome and Christianity were enemies. The Roman emperors tried at least twice to stamp out Christianity altogether, the last time around 300 AD, long after Christianity and Judaism separated, while Rome was in serious decline. When kings finally did embrace Christianity, it was not in Rome, but in the city in Turkey we now call Istanbul. Rome did not become the center of the West again until the 10th century or so. And the Western world, which has since risen to economic and cultural prominence but does NOT crush and grind down the nations in anything resembling either ancient Rome or the 4th kingdom in Daniel’s prophecy, is not only not an offshoot of the ancient Roman emperors, it’s a completely separate civilization. So, no, there’s no continuity between ancient Rome and the modern West, and no, Christianity is not Daniel’s 4th beast. Sorry, that’s not even a close call.

I get it; you hate Christianity, and you want to find ways to make the texts say what you feel about it, like “Christianity will be destroyed by the Almighty.” But when you start making leaps like this that simply ignore commonly-known western history, you need to avoid observations like “you just need to read it in context.” Reading in context is the last thing you want if you’re playing games to make the words of the prophets fit your preconceptions. I’m just sayin’…

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drydend January 28, 2013 at 8:46 am

“I get it; you hate christianity, and you want to find ways to make the texts say what you feel about it … ”

The first way to belittle an opponent is to create ill-thought-out reasons for his motivations or actions. Note that your first point, when you decided to comment on this article, was not to ask “where did this writer get his idea that Christianity is Rome?” Your post demonstrates that before you check the source of a person’s words, you attempt to refute what you don’t even understand: and me knowing where the idea that christianity is linked with rome comes from, that shows me clearly that you don’t understand where the writer is coming from.

Because of this, there is no need to argue you, since there is only a point in putting forward ideas when the other person is open to take it. But for all other readers, I would advise them to investigate the issue and ask a knowledgeable Rabbi.

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