"O L-RD, Who are my power and my strength and my refuge in the day of trouble, to You nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, 'Only lies have our fathers handed down to us, emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail! Can a man make gods for himself, and they are no gods? 'Therefore, behold I let them know; at this time I will let them know My power and My might, and they shall know that My Name is the L-RD".
Jeremiah 16:19-21

Are You Christian up to a Reading Challege – Isaiah 7,8,9?

January 2, 2013

in False Prophecies in the Christian New Testament,Isaiah 9:5-6,James (Jim) Morgan,Judaism vs. Christianity,Virgin Birth

Reading Challenge

By Jim Morgan

I was thinking of ways to wake people from their eternal slumber and ignorance to scripture.  Why fight and argue with blind people? Just place the scripture in front of them and simply challenge them to read it for themselves.  So, maybe that is what we do for 2013.

The christian, messianic, nazarene, and hebrew root follower has their hearts set to believe that Jesus is somehow the messiah.  They celebrate and uphold that he was born of a virgin, and is called Immanuel.  From where do they gather such teachings?  Primarily from Isaiah.  Although every single (supposed) prophecy attributed to Jesus is taken out of context and, in most cases, invented.  So, what about a challenge to simply read the scripture?  Let’s narrow it down to a real easy one…Isaiah 7, 8, 9.
Let’s see if christian theology holds up to the scripture itself.


Isaiah 7

1 And it Came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, That Rezin the king of Aram, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, Went up to Jerusalem to war Against it; but could not prevail against it.

2 And it was Told the house of David, saying: “Aram is Confederate with Ephraim. ‘And his heart was Moved, and the heart of His people, as the trees of the forest are Moved with the wind. {S}

3 Then the LORD Said unto Isaiah: ‘Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shear-Jashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool, in the highway of the Fullers’ field;

4 and say unto Him: Keep calm, and be quiet; fear not, Neither let thy heart be faint, Because of These two tails of smoking Firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin and Aram, and of the son of Remaliah.

5 Because Aram hath Counselled evil Against thee, Ephraim Also, and the son of Remaliah, saying:

6 Let us go up Against Judah, and Vex it, and let us make a Breach Therein for us, and set up a king in the Midst of it, even the son of Tabeel; {P}

7 Thus saith the Lord GOD: It shall not stand, Neither shall it come to pass.

8 For the head of Aram is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin, and Within Threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, That it be not a people;

9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If ye will not have faith, Surely ye shall not be established. ‘ {P}

10 And the LORD spoke partner network again unto Ahaz, saying:

11 ‘Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God: ask it Either in the depth, or in the height above.’

12 But Ahaz Said: “I will not ask, Neither will I try the LORD. ‘

13 And he Said: “Hear ye now, O house of David: Is it a small thing for you to weary men, That ye will weary my God Also?

14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: Behold, the young woman shall Conceive, and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

15 Curd and honey shall he eat, When he knoweth to refuse the evil, and Choose the good.

16 Yea, Before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and Choose the good, the land Whose two kings thou hast a horror of shall be forsaken.

17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy Father’s house, days That have not come, from the day That Ephraim departed from Judah, even the king of Assyria. ‘ {P}

18 And it shall come to pass in That day, That the LORD shall hisses for the fly That is in the Uttermost part of the Rivers of Egypt, and for the bee That is in the land of Assyria.

19 And they ‘ll shall come, and shall rest all of Them in the Rugged Valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all Thorns, and upon all Brambles.

20 In That day shall the Lord shave with a razor That is Hired in the parts Beyond the river, even with the king of Assyria, the head and the hair of the feet, and it shall sweep away Also the beard. {P}

21 And it shall come to pass in That Day, That a man shall rear a young cow, and two sheep;

22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk That they ‘ll shall give, he shall eat curd, curd and honey for every one shall eat That is left in the Midst of the land. {S}

23 And it shall come to pass in That Day, That Every place, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand Silverlings, shall even be for Briers and Thorns.

24 With arrows and with bow shall one come Thither; Because all the land shall Become Briers and Thorns.

25 And all the hills That were digged with the Mattock, thou shalt not come Thither for fear of Briers and Thorns, But it shall be for the Sending forth of Oxen, and for the Treading of sheep. {P}

Isaiah 8

1 And the LORD Said unto me: ‘Take thee a great tablet, and write upon it in common script: The Spoil Speedeth, the prey Hasteth;

2 and I will take unto Me faithful Witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah. ‘

3 And I Went unto the Prophetess, and She Conceived, and bore a son. {S} Then the LORD Said unto me: “Call His name Maher-Shalal-Hashbaz.

4 For Before the child shall have knowledge to cry: My Father, and: My Mother, the Riches of Damascus and the Spoil of Samaria shall be Carried away Before the king of Assyria. ‘ {S}

5 And the LORD spoke partner network yet again unto me, saying:

6 Forasmuch as this people hath Refused the waters of Shiloah That go softly, and Rejoiceth with Rezin and Remaliah’s son;

7 Now Therefore, Behold, the Lord Bringeth up upon Them the waters of the River, mighty and many, even the king of Assyria and all His glory, and he shall come up over all His channels, and go over all His Banks;

8 And he shall sweep through Judah Overflowing as he Passeth through he shall reach even to the neck, and the stretching out of His wings shall fill the Breadth of thy land, O Immanuel. {S}

9 Make an Uproar, O ye peoples, and ye shall be broken in pieces, and give ear, all ye of far Countries; Gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; Gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

10 Take Counsel together, and it shall be Brought to Nought, speak the word, and it shall not stand, for God is with us. {S}

11 For the LORD spoke partner network Thus to me with a strong hand, admonishing me That I Should not walk in the way of this people, saying:

12 ‘Say ye not: A conspiracy, Concerning all Whereof this people do say: A conspiracy; Neither fear ye Their fear, Nor account it Dreadful.

13 The LORD of hosts, shall ye Sanctify Him, and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.

14 And He shall be for a sanctuary; But for a stone of Stumbling and for a rock of Offence to Both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a Snare to the Inhabitants of Jerusalem.

15 And many shall Stumble Among Them, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be Taken. ‘ {P}

16 ‘Bind up the testimony, seal the instruction Among My disciples. “

17 And I will wait for the LORD, That Hideth His face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for Him.

18 Behold, I and the Children Whom the LORD hath given me shall be for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who Dwelleth in mount Zion. {S}

19 And When they ‘ll shall say unto you: Seek unto the ghosts and the familiar spirits, That chirp and That Mutter; Should not a people seek unto Their God? on behalf of the living unto the dead

20 for instruction and for testimony? ‘- Surely they’ ll will speak According to this word, Wherein there is no light. –

21 And they ‘ll shall pass this way That are sore Bestead and hungry, and it shall come to pass That, When they’ ll shall be hungry, they ‘ll shall Fret Themselves, and curse by Their king and by Their God, and, Whether they’ ll turn Their faces upward,

22 or look unto the earth, Behold distress and darkness, the Gloom of anguish, and Outspread thick darkness.

23 For there is no Gloom to Her That was Stedfast? Now the former hath lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but the latter hath dealt a more grievous blow by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, in the district of the nations.

Isaiah 9

1 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

2 Thou hast multiplied the nation, Thou hast increased their joy; they joy before Thee according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

3 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, Thou hast broken as in the day of Midian.

4 For every boot stamped with fierceness, and every cloak rolled in blood, shall even be for burning, for fuel of fire.

5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;

6 That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts doth perform this. {P}

7 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

8 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in pride and in arrogancy of heart:

9 ‘The bricks are fallen, but we will build with hewn stones; the sycamores are cut down, but cedars will we put in their place.’

10 Therefore the LORD doth set upon high the adversaries of Rezin against him, and spur his enemies;

11 The Arameans on the east, and the Philistines on the west; and they devour Israel with open mouth. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

12 Yet the people turneth not unto Him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts. {S}

13 Therefore the LORD doth cut off from Israel head and tail, palm-branch and rush, in one day.

14 The elder and the man of rank, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

15 For they that lead this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

16 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall He have compassion on their fatherless and widows; for every one is ungodly and an evil-doer, and every mouth speaketh wantonness. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

17 For wickedness burneth as the fire; it devoureth the briers and thorns; yea, it kindleth in the thickets of the forest, and they roll upward in thick clouds of smoke.

18 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land burnt up; the people also are as the fuel of fire; no man spareth his brother.

19 And one snatcheth on the right hand, and is hungry; and he eateth on the left hand, and is not satisfied; they eat every man the flesh of his own arm:

20 Manasseh, Ephraim; and Ephraim, Manasseh; and they together are against Judah. For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still. {S}

Scripture from A Hebrew – English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition


Now, I highlighted a few passages that should wake most from their slumber, but make sure you read all three chapters entirely.
The important point to remember is that what we are dealing with here is a SIGN, not a prophecy, which is completely different.  A sign is for here and now, much like roadway signs.  They are apparent, and dealing with current events.  In chapter 7 we see that there is to be a sign.  Amazingly, christians (amongst others) try to make this a prophecy (as opposed to the stated sign) about Jesus.  
First, nowhere is virgin mentioned in the Hebrew text.  There are many good articles and analysis done on the virgin/young woman debate, but it truly has little bearing whether it is either one, as these passages have nothing to do with anyone other than Isaiah and his children.  Simply put, the text says young woman, but christian translations have changed it.  (The woman is Isaiah’s wife, by the way) 
Christians (and others) would love to have you not read chapter 8 at this point.  Chapter 8 reveals the SIGN and totally deflates the debate.  Isaiah’s son is Immanuel and it is also mentioned “God is with us”.  Now, at this point if you don’t see the lie of christianity I’m not sure you’ll even awaken.  But wait, there’s more….
Christians also love to quote Isaiah 9, with that ever memorable statement “for unto us a child is born, and the government shall be upon his shoulder”.  But is that true?  Maybe if we could simply rip text out as we need it to build a doctrine, or a religion.  But we can’t do that.
Isaiah 9:5 clearly keeps going, which is never quoted.  I wonder why?
Are we to ignore the rest of the verse?  Maybe Joseph was just a little confused as to which name he should call his step-son.  
The simply fact of the matter is that Jesus was never called Immanuel. Ever.
Nor, was he called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom
Nor, was he called Maher-Shalal-Hashbaz

If you think the other supposed signs and prophecies can still stand, think again.  They collapse just like the one they tried building on here.

Many come along and try to impose mystical interpretations and explanations as to why they can choose to ignore half a verse and apply misquoted references from elsewhere.  The problem with that is simply that the plain text meaning of a verse is always the first answer, and often times, the only answer you need to seek.  If Hashem kept is simple….don’t make it difficult.

I’m not kidding when I tell you that you’re in a false religion.
Time to get out.

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