"O L-RD, Who are my power and my strength and my refuge in the day of trouble, to You nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, 'Only lies have our fathers handed down to us, emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail! Can a man make gods for himself, and they are no gods? 'Therefore, behold I let them know; at this time I will let them know My power and My might, and they shall know that My Name is the L-RD".
Jeremiah 16:19-21

“What Profit has not that Fable of Christ Brought Us!” – Pope Leo X 1513 -1521

June 10, 2011

in Christianity:,Dead Sea Scrolls,Idolatry,Jesus,Mithras,Pagan God's/Saviours,Roman Catholicism,The Mythical Christ

There are no original documents. Nobody knows who wrote the Gospels, when they were written or what originally was written. What we have are copies of copies of copies. When the Roman Empire decided to institutionalize Christianity they crushed other existing religions in order to gain territory and wealth. This involved genocide and cultural eradication. In many cases every trace of their religion and culture were destroyed. In other cases their gods and religious customs were considered as heresies. These crusades either replaced or assimilated the culture’s religious practices with the conquerors, making it impossible to know what the original religion was. Emperor Constantine blended the Christian Church with the institutionalized pagan practices of Rome and eliminated any semblance of either the Jewish religion or the Pagans.

Christianity was institutionalized as a state religion (in all it’s pagan glory) in the fourth century A.D. by Constantine, who Christianized pagan rites and called it Christianity. The laws and policies of the Empire and the doctrine of the Church became one with Constantine as the interpreter of both law and policy. This was accomplished by eliminating hundreds of books thought to be against Church doctrine and watering down what remained by blending Christian beliefs and practice with long established Roman sanctioned pagan worship. In Rome, before “Christmas” was celebrated on December 25th, the Natalis Solis Invicti was celebrated on the same date in honor of the Sun God, Mithras. From the seventeenth of December until the twenty-third, Romans celebrated the ancient feast of the Saturnalia. In 375 A.D., the Church of Rome under Pope Julius I announced that the birth date of Christ had been decided to be on December 25th, and this is how the date of Christmas was decided upon, by the deciders. The Romans could still celebrate the festival of Saturnalia, the birthday of Mithras, and the birthday of Christ. December the 25th, merry everything day.

The first Christmas tree wasn’t about Jesus. It was about Nimrod/Osiris and his mother/wife Semiramis/Ishtar/Isis who started the whole Christmas tree thing. After Nimrod the ruler of Babylon died Semiramis circulated the rumor that he was a god. Semiramis claimed that she saw an evergreen tree spring out of the roots of a dead tree stump. Semiramis told everyone that this meant that Nimrod was living again, and he would leave gifts under the evergreen tree on his birthday, which was on the winter solstice at the end of December. Several years after Nimrod was dead Semiramis gave birth to a son Horus. Semiramis said the spirit of Nimrod impregnated her, and that her son Horus was the reincarnation of Nimrod. The mother – child – holy spirit. These myths were passed down to other generations, and they were spread to other cultures. The pagans believed that as winter approached the days grew shorter, because the sun god was leaving them, and as the days grew longer he was coming back. As the days started getting longer again they had a celebration known as Saturnalia. For centuries before Christianity, holly was used for celebrating their midwinter Saturnalia. They had enormous feasts, got drunk and had orgies. Just like today.

Jeremiah 10: 2 Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are false. A tree from the forest is cut down, and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman. Men deck it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so that it cannot move.

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

The Dead Sea Scrolls only mentions “teachers of righteousness” that were part of an ultra conservative messianic Jewish movement based in Qumran going back at least 100 years BCE. The Dead Scrolls disclosed that many of the practices that people now regard as Christian innovations are not. The Lord’s Prayer and the Lord’s Supper can be traced to the Qumrans, also going back at least one century before the alleged Jesus’ virgin birth. The Sermon on the Mount is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke about fifty years after Jesus allegedly gave the sermon. The Gospels of Mark and John say nothing about The Sermon on the Mount and neither do Paul, Peter or John because the Sermon on the Mount was recorded in the Book of Enoch at least 100 years before Jesus, as the Dead Sea Scrolls reveal.

The Dead Sea Scrolls tell of a movement that was a Jewish ‘Apocalyptic cult’ waiting to do battle with the forces of evil in which righteousness would prevail. The Qumrans were making themselves ready for the great battle in which they firmly believed that the forces of evil would die upon the blazing spears held by the hands of the ‘Sons of Light.’

One of the reasons for the angst between Jews and Romans was the fact that the Jews opposed slavery. In the year 70 CE the Romans utterly destroyed the people of Qumran and the Temple in Jerusalem. Until 70 CE the Qumrans were waiting with great faith for the messiah to appear and deliver them. The messiah, according to Jewish belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.

Everything Christians know about Christianity is false. Their beliefs are based on superstitions in a false messiah, and colorful layers of various pagan beliefs of the Roman culture.

Few people, who are not scholars, have read The Dead Sea Scrolls. Preachers are not encouraging their sheep-dipped flock to read scholarly works on this topic. The greatest archaeological discovery of the 20th century is only mentioned, but is not explained. I have heard people making statements that are not true about The Dead Sea Scrolls, and I don’t know where they got the information, but it surely wasn’t from any scholar who could read Hebrew and Aramaic. The fact that people don’t read scholarly work makes it very easy to exploit them. It also makes it easy to enslave people with religious superstitions. Many things in the Bible have been proven to have no historic, archaeological, or scientific proof to back it up but the clergy never mentions that. The actual definite outlines of any religion of that day is unknown, because there are no surviving scriptures available.

Eusebius served as an ecclesiastical church historian and bishop, and he had great influence in the early Church. Eusebius openly advocated the use of fraud and deception in furthering the interests of the Church. The first mention of Jesus by Josephus came from Eusebius (none of the earlier church fathers mention Josephus’ Jesus). Most scholars believe that Eusebius not Josephus was responsible for those writings. Eusebius wrote about (how it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived).

Independent “sources” for the gospel’s Jesus has been so discredited it hardly needs a rebuttal here. Some Christians use brief portions of the Talmud, (a collection of Jewish civil a religious law, including commentaries on the Torah), as evidence for Jesus. They claim that Yeshu (a common name in Jewish literature) in the Talmud refers to Jesus. However, this Jesus, actually depicts a disciple of Jehoshua Ben-Perachia at least a century before the alleged Christian Jesus. The Palestinian Talmud was written between the 3rd and 5th century C.E., and the Babylonian Talmud between the 3rd and 6th century C.E., at least two centuries after the alleged crucifixion. It is a combo Christian – pagan legend; it is not evidence for a historical Jesus.

Celsus pointed out the same flaws in the cult that we notice today, (they burnt all his books) so with the silence of the critics, the re-writing of its past, any claim that there had to have been a historical Jesus fails.

A study of the true circumstances of Christianity’s beginnings (although this is difficult) considering how much of their “heroic” past was burned and destroyed, reveals precisely the pattern expected if the Jesus religion was an offshoot from other existing religious myths.

It took political change and a lot of lying to institutionalize the Christian religion. There were no actual witnesses, contemporary followers or miraculous apostles. This new religion was designed to take out other competing religions. All the other religions died out (some were assisted) leaving our current orthodoxy.

 

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Jha'tier Robinson April 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm

Christianity is about money

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Dave & Yvonne April 21, 2012 at 1:13 pm

If only Christianity was about money – just a thin layer of the ice – it is also about a massive deception, lies, false prophecies and all in all it is the best bit of propaganda ever!!

Rome did a sterling job blending supreme lies with heathenism, paganism and misrepresenting Judaism – the result is billions of deceived people! A serious tragedy … and a huge blow to mankind!

God has never left his people without knowledge of Him or to be blind or deaf – we chose to be these things – the truth is out there and it is not Christianity or Islam or any other man made religion!

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Jack June 30, 2012 at 2:26 am

Rather telling that your title quote is itself a fabrication. Leo X never said or wrote it. Nor did any other pope.
The earliest known source of this statement is actually a fiercely antipapal work by the ex-Catholic Anglican priest John Bale “Acta Romanorum Pontificum usque ad tempora Paulo IV” (Basel 1538; Frankfurt 1567; Leiden 1615) which was first translated from Latin into English as “The Pageant of the Popes” in 1574: 
“For on a time when a cardinall Bembus did move a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gave him a very contemptuous answer saying: All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie.”
There are no authenticated documents that state that Pope Leo X actually said this.
http://www.pgil-eirdata.org/html/pgil_da…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bale
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_X 
 

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Dave & Yvonne August 6, 2012 at 6:20 pm

There is no authentic documents for the greek testament either!!

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Dave & Yvonne October 5, 2012 at 6:57 am

Hi Jack, there is no truth in the New Testament as compared to Judaism – therefore the article was just information and as there is nothing authentic about Christianity according to Torah what any pope said or any laity say is really of no consequence…

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Honesty January 29, 2013 at 9:35 pm

Mind you, do not blame the lie on Christianity alone. Judaism itself is just a tribal pagan belief, triggered by their ancient laders who wanted their tribe to prosper and rule the world. It is all deception. Not one exception, Buddhism included. As for Hinduism, it is the most racist religion with its castes, slaves and eunochs serving the elite Brahmacharia.

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drydend April 12, 2013 at 10:00 am

Your approach is not unique: speak about something you have never experienced, i.e., how the Torah was given! Many do it. Doesn’t really say anything authoritative, only shows that you’re opinionated and enjoy slandering others. Nothing new under the sun.

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usor February 25, 2013 at 10:52 am

What a load of crap your article is. Does any sane person really think that 2,000 years of study would not have brought about a reversal of the credibility of the NT manuscripts if it possibly could have? No of course not. Jesus (Yeshua) really did exist and He is written about in 30 ancient extra-biblical sources including 17 non-Christian. Jesus is real, do not be deceived, follow His precepts if you seek life.

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drydend April 12, 2013 at 9:30 am

I can understand why you dismiss this article as crap, especially if you believe that study is enough, on its own, to remove credibility from beliefs or manuscripts, even for 2000 years. For thousands of years humans have believed in idols, whether conceptual ideologies or physical beings, and those thousands of years didn’t eradicate the existence of idolatry. When the human heart clings to a doctrine, especially one that is a mixture of truth and falseness, it takes something more than study to remove presuppositions and long-held beliefs. So the answer to your question is “yes, many sane people really think that 2000 years of study may not reverse the credibility of the NT manuscripts, assuming they had credibility in the first place (I don’t assume that), and that way of thinking isn’t crazy but has good justification.” I myself do not use the argument of manuscripts when I deal with the falsehood of christianity, but there are reasons to doubt their source.

Also note the idolatry in your last phrase. The Torah of God and the rest of the Jewish Bible never says “a man is real, follow the precepts of this man”. If there is something that cannot be doubted is that the new testament says Jesus was a man. But to admonish to a person to simply follow a man is idolatry. God’s teachings says “seek God while he is near” and “God is near to all who call him” and “what does God require of you if only to keep his law?” No, our eyes are only for God, not a man. And if you mistakenly think this man is or was God, then that would be another conversation altogether. But I would say to you, as the Jewish Bible states: God is real, he is not a man, he does not change [e.g., become a man], don’t be deceived, follow God’s precepts if you seek life. Every one of those phrases that I just said has a firm basis on the text of the Jewish Bible.

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usor February 25, 2013 at 10:54 am

Oh and your pope leo quote about the fable – it originated with a chap called John Bale a disgruntled catholic apostate centuries ago. The quote is fantasy.

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Heiner Fuchs August 17, 2013 at 12:20 am

 You go to great lengths proving how Christianity is wrong (and it is) but when it comes to the Torah, well, that was just “given” and you need not prove it at all. We’re just “ignorant,” and it serves us right. You conveniently forget that for Judaism to be right, all the pagan religions the Christians/Romans destroyed had to be wrong, so why are making such a big deal about their destruction? You also forget that the old testament is mainly about cruelty (stoning adulteresses to death, killing unwanted children, extermination of the Malacites, and genocide in general). Why cling to this shameful legacy? Take the world as it is presented to you and try to be a good person, because it sure is hard when you’re obsessed with details of things that may or may not have occurred thousands of years ago.  If you are more obsessed with these worthless details rather than, say, the welfare of homeless people near your synagogue, then you disgust me. We all eat, sleep, piss, shit. We don’t need to profess any creed. We are human beings. Period.

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drydend August 20, 2013 at 8:40 am

I admire your sincere passion, even if it is mistaken. No one here said that the Torah is a given with no need for proof although it is important to put the Torah in its proper place, but that is beyond the scope of my response to you. The fact is that there is a difference in presupposition between yourself and us. Nothing that you’ve said reveals your own presuppositions to be correct or ours to be false. All you’ve essentially given is a rant where you’ve already assumed that you’re right. I’ve got no means of determining that to be correct, so I don’t know what exactly you thought you were expecting with the rant. What? Just to vent? You judge the “old testament” based on your worldview and there is no sign that your opinion has any objective worth, and it says nothing about how those acts are interpreted in our worldview. So again, what are you expecting?

Rather than waste your time venting which is unproductive for both you and us, spend time with your family, help those that need the help, be a shining beacon of morality to those around, something that any human being should do regardless of worldview (although unfortunately it’s only by worldview that you can determine what is right and wrong, history tells us this). You don’t like what we say. So what? If you unwilling to probe in a rational way and just wish to vent, don’t waste your precious time or energy which could be spent making yourself or someone else not just happy but a more productive part of the world community.

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Nasr January 14, 2014 at 1:07 am

During the Jew Roman war 66AD, the holy temple was destroyed and many Jewish  scriptures were burnt by Romans. Among them are the early Aramaic-Hebrew scriptures  used by Nasoreans Jews (Earliest followers of Jesus) . One interesting fact is that Nasoreans disagreed with Paul, for he  introduced a new doctrine that is to abolish Jewish rites taught by Jesus , but rather sufficient to only have faith in triune. 
 
Thus, this solidify the fact that Nasoreans never used Greek scriptures which in fact was used by new cult “Christian-Romans” (as all of the Greek testaments were written after the war where many Jews persecuted and flee from Israel). By looking at the narrative structure of Greek Testaments. It is filled with fables written after the ascend of Jesus to heavens.

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pablope May 1, 2014 at 4:12 pm

Check your quote from the title…it is a fable to begin with. 
 
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/skeptic_quotes.html
ALLEGED QUOTE: “How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us!” or “What profit has not that fable of 
Christ brought us!”

 
So where did this quote originate? Skeptics claim Leo said this to a member of his entourage who later attributed the quote to him. However, 
the quote has now been attributed to the 16th century satirist and playwrightJohn Bale. John Bale joined the Protestant movement after 
becoming disenchanted with the corruption of the Catholic church. He wrote many parodies in which he openly expressed his disdain of papal 
abuse. One of his satirical works known as The Pageant of the Popes is the actual source of the quote in question (paraphrased in modern 
English for the reader’s convenience):

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drydend June 18, 2014 at 1:26 pm

Thanks for that information. I’ll let the readers judge how crucial that quote was to the whole article.

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